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(Updated Aug. 29, 2018)

Jim Kaat earned 283 major-league wins, won 16 Gold Glove awards and pitched for the Cardinals’ 1982 World Series championship team.

On Dec. 2, 2011, I interviewed Kaat by email. He was gracious with his time and thoughtful with his answers _ a Hall of Fame-quality person in every way.

Because the interview was for this Cardinals history blog, all the questions were about the Cardinals. The interview is presented here, in its entirety:

Q: It’s ironic you and your first Cardinals manager, Ken Boyer, are on the Golden Era ballot together as candidates for election to the National Baseball Hall of Fame. What are your recollections of Ken Boyer?

Jim Kaat: I always respected Kenny. He was a quiet leader as a manager. He was easy to please and easy to play for.

Q: Ted Simmons was the catcher when you joined St. Louis in 1980. You and Simmons have well-earned reputations for being smart and innovative thinkers. How did you get along with Ted Simmons?

Jim Kaat: Teddy and I became close as batterymates. I enjoyed pitching to him and being his friend and teammate.

Q: Your first win for the Cardinals was a 10-inning shutout against the Mets in New York on June 4, 1980. You had been pitching primarily in relief until then that year. What do you recall about pitching such a gem at 41 years old? Boxscore

Jim Kaat: (The manager) kept asking me from the fifth inning on, “Are you ok?” I said I felt fine. I was getting the hitters out, so let me keep going. It was quite a surprise. I hadn’t started much for a couple of years. (Note: Until then, Kaat had made just one start in 1980 and two starts in 1979).

Q: You were the starting pitcher in Whitey Herzog’s first game as Cardinals manager (June 9, 1980, at Atlanta). What do you recall about Herzog’s arrival and what he said to you and the team that day? Boxscore

Jim Kaat: I honestly don’t recall much except it was something like, “We are out of the pennant race but give me everything you’ve got so I can evaluate where you will fit in next year.”

Q: Bob Forsch was a classy Cardinal whose recent passing saddened many. What are your recollections of Bob Forsch?

Jim Kaat: He was a durable pitcher. Quiet, but a tough competitor. He had a wry sense of humor and was fun to be around. A great teammate.

Q: Besides the obvious talents in players such as Bruce Sutter, Ozzie Smith and Keith Hernandez, what were the intangible qualities that made the 1982 Cardinals a World Series championship club?

Jim Kaat: Selfless players. They were all team-first guys. It’s the most close-knit team I ever played on (in 25 big-league seasons). They broke us up too soon.

Q: As someone who is a successful player as well as a successful broadcaster, could you please share your impressions of longtime Cardinals broadcasters Mike Shannon and the late Jack Buck?

Jim Kaat: Both are legendary broadcasters. Jack, on a national scale. Mike is to St. Louis what Scooter (Phil Rizzuto) was to New York and what Richie Ashburn was to Philadelphia. He’s a genuine guy with a big heart.

Q: How does Albert Pujols compare with all of the great players you have seen?

Jim Kaat: He has to be right at the top with all the all-time greats for doing what he has done over a decade.

Q: Lastly, as a former Cardinal and as a baseball fan, what are your observations about the 2011 Cardinals’ historic late-season surge and dramatic post-season run to a World Series title?

Jim Kaat: I’m happy for them. It was not the greatest quality of play by either (World Series) team, but it was very exciting. It’s always good to see the Cardinals fans get rewarded. It’s the best baseball town in America.

Previously: How Jim Kaat revived both his career and the Cardinals

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(Updated April 30, 2020)

At 41, Jim Kaat was an unlikely candidate to be a savior for the Cardinals’ pitching staff in 1980.

The Cardinals bought Kaat’s contract from the Yankees on April 30, 1980.

Before the Cardinals called, Kaat looked to be finished as a player. The Yankees were ready to cut him loose after he posted an 0-1 record and 7.20 ERA in four relief stints for them in 1980.

“I was auditioning for a broadcasting job, cutting a demonstration tape,” Kaat told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Fine fit

The Cardinals were willing to take a chance on Kaat because their bullpen was in tatters. In the Cardinals’ first 17 games, their relievers were 0-5 with a 7.46 ERA. Of the Cardinals’ first 10 defeats, four came in their opponents’ last at-bat and six occurred in the seventh inning or later.

“We want somebody who can put the lid on,” Cardinals manager Ken Boyer told the Post-Dispatch. “Kaat has always had good stuff and he’s a great competitor.”

Said Cardinals pitching coach Claude Osteen: “Age doesn’t apply to Kaat. He’s probably as quick around the mound as anybody in baseball. He has the body of a younger man, certainly not someone in his 40s.”

Kaat told the Post-Dispatch, “I stay in shape. I’ve always treated baseball as a year-round job. With all the weight machines and exercise facilities available to them, there is no reason for baseball players to be out of shape.”

Old reliable

Kaat made an immediate impact with the Cardinals, pitching scoreless relief in his first three outings, retiring 14 batters in a row and lifting the club’s confidence.

The left-hander made his Cardinals debut on the day he was acquired. Relieving starter Pete Vuckovich with one out in the eighth on April 30, 1980, against the Cubs at St. Louis, Kaat retired five Cubs on eight pitches. Using a slider and curve, he struck out Larry Biittner and got the other four on groundouts. Boxscore

“Kaat comes in and gets five outs in his first game,” Cardinals catcher Ted Simmons said to The Sporting News. “That is reassuring and that can carry over.”

It was Kaat’s first appearance since allowing three runs in one inning to the White Sox two weeks earlier with the Yankees.

“When I keep the ball low and have it sink, when batters are hitting the ball on the ground, I know I’m pitching my way,” Kaat told the Post-Dispatch.

Getting it done

With his starting rotation in disarray because of injuries to Bob Forsch, John Fulgham and Silvio Martinez, Boyer turned to Kaat to help fill the void.

“I still think I’m best as a starter,” Kaat said to the Post-Dispatch.

On June 4, 1980, at New York, Kaat pitched a 10-inning shutout, limiting the Mets to seven singles, in the Cardinals’ 1-0 victory. Ken Reitz hit a home run off Neil Allen in the 10th, giving Kaat his first win as a Cardinal. Boxscore

Under the headline “Stubborn Dutchman Jim Kaat Is Up There With Immortals,” columnist Furman Bisher wrote in The Sporting News, “On the day he was 41 years, six months and 27 days old, Kaat pitched 10 shutout innings and beat the Mets, and he still looked at the end as if he could have pitched until dawn.”

The shutout was the 31st and last of Kaat’s big-league career, but it wasn’t his last impressive performance for the Cardinals.

Four days after Kaat’s shutout, the Cardinals fired Boyer and replaced him with Whitey Herzog. In Herzog’s first game, Kaat started, gave up two earned runs in 6.2 innings against the Braves and St. Louis won, 8-5, in 10 innings. Boxscore

On June 23, 1980, Kaat pitched a seven-hitter in the Cardinals’ 6-1 victory against the Pirates. It was Kaat’s 266th career win, tying him with Bob Feller. Kaat also had a stolen base. Boxscore

As columnist Bill Conlin observed, “Jim Kaat is doing everything but stitching up the baseballs.”

Kaat pitched in 49 games, including 14 starts, for the 1980 Cardinals and had an 8-7 record and 3.82 ERA.

He became a key setup reliever for closer Bruce Sutter in the Cardinals’ 1982 World Series championship season. In four seasons with the Cardinals, Kaat was 19-16 with 10 saves and a 3.82 ERA.

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