In 2025, relief ace Lee Smith was interviewed by Jon Paul Morosi for the Baseball Hall of Fame podcast “The Road to Cooperstown.”
Here are excerpts:
Lee Arthur Smith was from rural Louisiana. On the recommendation of scout Buck O’Neil, the Cubs selected Smith in the second round of the 1975 amateur draft.
Smith: “I was playing sandlot baseball and we didn’t have a catcher, so I decided to catch … I had no chest protector … Buck comes looking for me. He said, ‘I’m looking for a boy named Lee Arthur.’ Nobody knew me as Lee Arthur … He said, ‘We’re thinking about drafting you.’ I said, ‘For the military?’ ”
When Smith was with minor-league Midland (Texas), his manager, former Cubs catcher Randy Hundley, converted him from starter to reliever. Objecting to the switch, Smith decided to quit and play college basketball for Northwestern State.
Smith: “That relief pitching thing I didn’t like. Back then, it was, you’re not good enough to start, so they threw you in the bullpen … My first love was basketball … Billy Williams (then a Cubs minor-league instructor) came to my house and talked to me (about returning to baseball) … I can’t say what he said, but it worked. That’s all that matters.”
(Smith reached the majors with the Cubs in September 1980 and became their closer in July 1982. Playing primarily for the Cubs, Cardinals and Red Sox, he earned 478 saves in 18 seasons.)
On taking naps during afternoon Cubs games at Wrigley Field:
Smith: “The best thing to do was to put a heating pad on your back and lay on the training room table. I’d be out … The job of the assistant trainer was to make sure I had on the right uniform and that I got there (to the bullpen) by the sixth inning … There’s nothing better than waking up with a three-run lead.”
On becoming buddies with the Wrigley Field grounds crew:
Smith: “I found they got time-and-a-half after 4:30. That started me doing that long, slow walk from the bullpen (to the mound). I said to them, ‘I’m taking my time so that you can send all your kids to college.’ … They made a mint off of me after the seventh inning. I took care of my grounds crew boys.”
On taking advantage of the shadows that covered home plate at Wrigley Field in late afternoons:
Smith: “I struck out Eric Davis looking to end a game. Eric complained to umpire Frank Pulli that the ball was a couple of inches outside. Frank said, ‘Yeah, but it sounded like a strike.’ ”
On playing for Cardinals manager Joe Torre before Torre went to the Yankees:
Smith: “He didn’t talk a whole lot. He’d bring me into the game, hand the ball to me and walk off. (Later), he compared me to (the Yankees’) Mariano Rivera and said, ‘Those were the only guys I’d just give the ball to and walk off the mound.’ ”
On having shortstop Ozzie Smith (no relation) as a Cardinals teammate:
Smith: “Ozzie used to give me a hard time about taking too much time between pitches … I love harassing him … He saved my butt a few times. When that ball was hit up the middle, I would think, base hit, and I’d look back and there was Ozzie. He always took good care of me.”
His interest in baseball history:
Smith: “I have a room in my house where I collect the memorabilia from the Negro League. I’m trying to do some (research) on Hilton Smith.”
On being diagnosed with cardiac amyloidosis, a buildup of abnormal proteins that thicken the heart muscle, preventing it from working as it should. Smith received a heart transplant in July 2024:
Smith: “My doctor told me I got a mulligan. My wife, Dyana, has taken care of me … I feel really good.”
According to the Mayo Clinic, amyloidosis occurs more commonly in men. People of African descent appear to be at higher risk. Smith was asked what advice he’d have for them.
Smith: “Get checkups. Get blood work. Listen to your wives.”

I love seeing these J.P. Morosi interviews here, Mark. The crew getting time and a half past 4:30 was a lol. I did not realize he had a transplant, but am happy he’s still with us. He had a lot of pitches that sounded like a strike!
Thanks, Bruce. Lee Smith has a keen sense of humor, especially after all he’s been through with his health.
According to Fred Mitchell, a former sports reporter for the Chicago Tribune and now an adjunct professor of journalism at DePaul, Lee Smith knew something was wrong when he began to experience consistent shortness of breath and lost weight. “I thought I had cancer,” Smith said to Mitchell.
Turns out his heart was pumping only about five percent of the blood that it should have.
Smith weighed more than 300 pounds before he got sick. He was down to 193 at the peak of his illness. “I mean, I could walk a hundred feet, then I’d stop and sit down somewhere, man,” Smith told Mitchell. “I’d go get up, go do some more, then stop and sit down.”
Interesting guy. You have to appreciate the fact that he has some kind thoughts for the grounds crew.
Yes, and the Wrigley Field grounds crew repaid Lee Smith’s thoughtfulness by taking care of him, too. In July 1984, Fred Mitchell of the Chicago Tribune reported that the grounds crew landscaped the mound at Wrigley to better accommodate Smith’s tender knee. The crew sloped the mound so that Smith’s follow-through was not as tough on the knee. After the adjustment by the grounds crew, Smith threw the hardest he had all season, catcher Jody Davis told the Tribune.
I had no idea he had surgery for a heart transplant. It’s great to hear that his recovery has gone well. I’m guessing that the highest compliment a relief pitcher can recieve is hearing a manager like Joe Torre comparing him to Mariano Rivera.
At the time of his interview with podcaster Jon Paul Morosi, Lee Smith said he didn’t know the identity of the organ donor he received the heart from because of privacy laws, but added he hoped to meet the donor’s family some day.
When Mariano Rivera got his 400th career save in July 2006, the only others with 400 career saves were Lee Smith, Trevor Hoffman and John Franco.
Presently, the top five in career saves are Mariano Rivera (652), Trevor Hoffman (601), Lee Smith (478), Kenley Jansen (476) and Craig Kimbrel (440).
Sweet. ⚡✨
Thanks, Gary. Lee Smith never got to pitch in a World Series. His last good chance came with the Red Sox in 1988 but the A’s swept them in the American League Championship Series. In Game 2 at Fenway Park, with the score tied in the ninth, Walt Weiss of the A’s drove in the winning run to beat Smith: https://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1988/B10060BOS1988.htm
not many baseball facial expressions come to mind as much as Lee Smith looking in for some signs with what i thought was an ear to ear smile, grateful for the opportunity.
Good image, Steve.
Lee Smith is one of at least three living members of the Baseball Hall of Fame to have a heart transplant. The others are Rod Carew and your favorite, Harold Baines.
How fellow humans envision a transplant idea and then make it happen. Both logic and miracle for coming up with the logic.